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You just clipped your first slide! Clipping is a handy way to collect important slides you want to go back to later. Now customize the name of a clipboard to store your clips. Visibility Others can see my Clipboard. Cancel Save. In an orphanage, filthy ad with little care given the boys who are kept there by a cook, two worthless 'cleaners' and a Master whose interest is more in drinking and using the boys for his physical pleasure than in tending to his duties as overseer, lives a beautiful and feisty lad Ramazan, called the 'Boss' because of his personality and his mastery of the game of marbles and any other playful diversion in this wretched atmosphere.

Ramazan does not know the identity of his parents they left him on the streets as an infant so he imagines them to be popular Turkish movie stars and will come for him some day in a fancy car and restore him to a life of wealth. Into this place comes Ali whose mother murdered his drunken father and subsequently died leaving Ali with no family, homeless, whose only option was to be taken into the orphanage. To tell too much of the story would be to rob the pleasure of discovery for the reader.

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Suffice it to say that Ramazan and Ali, those physical and psychological opposites, bond in a manner that gradually becomes physical: they become lovers. Ramazan is the favorite of Master and suffers his affections: Master drinks heavily and is cruel to his docile wife and child. According to the orphanage rules all boys must be discharged at age 18 to face a life on the streets. Ramazan is older and joins the Turkish military, becoming a waiter for the officers. Ali joins the military later and when both boys are released form military duty they must find shelter; Ramazan continues his background as a prostitute, despite Ali's objections, and Ali buries his inability to find work by addiction to alcohol, drugs and sniffing solvents.

The story is woven in and out of incidents that are terrifying for both boys who now as young men are bonded lovers.

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Traumas occur that test their love and it is the manner in which they face their lives that brings an end to this tale. In Ali and in Ramazan she has created tow characters who will remain impressed on the memory long after completing this relatively short novel. It is a brilliant achievement and may just possibly be one of the finest books of the decade.

The book was translated form the original Turkish by Ruth Whitehouse and her work is commendable.

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Grady Harp Ali And Ramazan is not a happy novella. Abandoned orphans struggle to overcome the mental scars of their childhoods against a background of sexual, physical and mental abuse.

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Neglected and deprived by the incompetence of the orphanage's Master, they grow up cold and hungry before being summarily expelled on their eighteenth birthdays. It's a bleak image and all the more shocking for Magden's matter-of-fact prose. This book shows a dark side of Istanbul where child prostitution is rife and almost Ali And Ramazan is not a happy novella. This book shows a dark side of Istanbul where child prostitution is rife and almost 'normal'. Yet amongst the gloom, we see sparks of happiness by was of Ali and Ramazan's intense romance.

The two are inseparable as boys and lovers as men, but the strength of their love isn't enough to lift them out of their sordid lives. Magden's prose reminded me of another Turkish book, Aylin by Ayse Kulin, in that I often felt detached from the story whilst reading. Both books tell reality-based stories of lives and with both I found it difficult to really get into the emotional aspects of the writing. Magden writes often of the great love between Ali and Ramazan, but I felt the third-person narration style got in the way of really putting this across to the reader.

Also, I thought while reading that this book was far too short. Ali and Ramazan's lives are glimpsed so briefly that I didn't think I had time to really get to know them. However, now that I am thinking about the story in order to write this review, I wonder if brevity is a deliberate ploy on Magden's part - a reflection of the curtailed potential she shows being wasted.

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See more of my book reviews on my blog, Literary Flits This is not an easy read; it is about child prostitution, male prostitution, destitution and drugs. It's also about two boys finding true love in each other. The kind of love that can be great, but can also go all wrong when taken to extremes and especially in the characters' situation. While the book is about boys growing up and their lives as young adults, I hesitated to shelf this book under YA.

Jan 22, Sefa rated it it was amazing. As a translator, the only thing I want to comment on about this book is that it would be impossible to convey its true essence with another language. It's actually not even enough to know the language!


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You have to be Turkish to "get" this book. You have to have experienced the pains of being Turkish. You need to know the difference between an Istanbul-born and an As a translator, the only thing I want to comment on about this book is that it would be impossible to convey its true essence with another language. You need to know the difference between an Istanbul-born and an East Anatolian.


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So those giving it a low rating because they are reading this from a translation, know that you'll never understand what kind of feelings it actually awakens. And I despise people who give a low rating because a book doesn't have what they expected; such as the teenage girls coming here giving twilight and 50 shades of grey 5 stars, and expecting a happy, satisfactory, "romantic" story. This is the bare, ugly truth. This is much more real than your so-called love stories. Jan 03, Lillian rated it really liked it. I've read the English translation of this.

Sadly, I wasn't that surprised as to the deplorable conditions of the orphanage that the two primary characters grew up in, or how the Master abused his power and privilege. I was, however, impressed that these two young men endured for as long as they did through all of the trials laid out before them. This is one of those rare stories of how two men love each other in an otherwise primarily homophobic location. Dec 29, Chibi rated it it was ok Shelves: okudu. Einen Review gibt es wie immer auch auf meinem Blog!

Jul 26, Rita rated it it was amazing Shelves: turkish , favourites. Ne hayatlar ver dedirten bir kitap Jun 09, Maviucurum rated it liked it. Oct 13, Turgut Yildirim rated it really liked it. The book is short but it gives very good insight of gay relationship. It made me look at gays' relationship more humanly.

Eine auf so vielschichtige Weise sehr brutale Geschichte nimmt auch ein sehr tragisches Ende. Harter Tobak. Feb 09, Mary C rated it did not like it. May 05, Em Chainey Bookowski rated it really liked it Shelves: lgbt. Bir 3. Hadi buna ben de 3. Ve daha niceleri Given that, and the pre-pub review on it, I figured this would be a powerful book to purchase for my library — one that might push the boundaries. It is indeed a powerful book, as it tells the story of an obscure pair of orphan boys who led lives rather horrifying to contemplate.

And it pushes the boundaries in describing child abuse, drug use, and male prostitution. It is fictionalized, but based on actual events that were reported in a Turkish newspaper. And I suspect that Magden is an important author to follow. Escape has a different translator — and the poetry of the prose flows. So my verdict? Mar 26, Kate rated it liked it Shelves: read-in , arc. Ali and Ramazan is a much different read from my usual thrillers or YA, but it's a short, powerful story of a true and desperate love that's all consuming and burns almost to bright to last.

It's not a happy book, the orphans of Istanbul are not saved by Daddy Warbucks, but Ali and Ramazan do find each other, and change one another. Ali was sweet and loveable, still innocent even after his brutal upbringing, and charming Ramazan is always in control despite the out of control relationship he has Ali and Ramazan is a much different read from my usual thrillers or YA, but it's a short, powerful story of a true and desperate love that's all consuming and burns almost to bright to last. Ali was sweet and loveable, still innocent even after his brutal upbringing, and charming Ramazan is always in control despite the out of control relationship he has with the orphanage "master".

Once out of the orphanage, the two boys find themselves ill prepared for life outside it's walls. With it's child prostitution and violence, this book isn't for everyone. I just wanted to read outside my comfort zone, and a translated book from Turkey about two boys in love is about as far as I can get from The Selection and Anna and the French Kiss that I could think of. And despite it's sad ending, I couldn't help but think that it was the best of the worst ending for Ali and Ramazan.

May 06, Susan Hoffer rated it it was ok. I like stories set in different countries - because I like to learn something about those countries. From this book I learned it is cold in Istanbul. So - not satisfying from that perspective. It's a simple and sad yet passionate love story. By the end, I "knew" Ramazan but still didn't have a clue about Ali. Maybe it lost something in translation. Another short read, was interested in large part because of the Istanbul setting and the gay relationship. Was worth the short time to read and had some interesting things to say about life on the margins of Turkish society.

I did buy and believe in the characters and the central relationship, but not always every action and piece of dialogue. But the story will stay with me for a while. Perihan Magden'le ilk tanisma.. Gercek bir hayat hikayesinden yola cikilmis.. Beni cok huzunlendiren bir kitap oldu..

Kimbilir bi haber oldugumuz, hayatin daha dogdugu anda yada cok kucukken tekme vurdugu ne cok Ali ve Ramazanlar vardir. Eger o yetimhaneye verilmeselerde, o mudur orda olmasaydi Jan 01, Tracy rated it it was ok. It wasn't the content. It was the writing-short, choppy sentences which tended to repeat phrases.

Perhaps it was the translation or perhaps the fact the author is a journalist or perhaps some combo of those two issues.

I'll try this author again, but Claustrophobic is the word that comes to mind. It's a tragic story and a strong piece of writing. I didn't love it as much as "Escape" but that might be a matter of translation different translator. Anyway, I'm deeply impressed with the author. There are no discussion topics on this book yet. Readers also enjoyed. By her own account, she was an unruly student—and her mother was proud of it. One of the most famous writers in young Turkish literature, Perihan Magden has spent some time at Yaddo, the famous artists' community.

Salinger's Catcher in the Rye for the way she had captured adolescent anguish. She spent some years in far east countries. Her novel 2 Girls has been a big success in homeland Turkey and became an award winning movie premiered in Europe in London Film Festival right after Sydney. Trivia About Ali ile Ramazan. No trivia or quizzes yet. Welcome back.